What NOT to put in your compost pile...

topic posted Mon, November 22, 2004 - 2:00 PM by  Yoshimi
I am extremely new to all of this. Basically someone left me with a compost pile without teaching me how to maintain it. I realize that there are plenty of books out there and resources online and fully intend on utilizing them.

I was actually just hoping that those of you who have a bit of composting wisdom to share with me the items that should absolutely stay off the pile.

So far, I know that anything that isn't organic shouldn'y go in and anything cooked, meat or seafood should stay off as well...is this all correct?

Also, I heard that citrus should stay off the pile...is that true?

And of course...if there is any other composting wisdom at all that you would like to share with me, I would greatly appreciate it :)

Thank You!!
posted by:
Yoshimi
Seattle
  • Re: What NOT to put in your compost pile...

    Mon, November 22, 2004 - 2:55 PM
    From what I know, I think you got the basics: vegies good. Meat, dairy, citrus not so good.

    Then there's the goal of having a good mix of greens & browns...basically greens are things you cut off the plants, and browns are things like dead leaves that drop off the plans naturally. At least, that's my very basic understanding.

    Have fun! It's incredibly gratifying when the worms abound...and somehow, to everyone's amazement, the pile doesn't smell bad. :^)
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    Mon, November 22, 2004 - 7:08 PM
    I don't agree that nothing cooked should be put in, I do it all the time. And citrus peels too. I do agree animal products should stay out (I do put my cats' shed hair in though). My compost is always just fine. If your pile is not enclosed in some way, certain foods (like bread and leftovers) may attract rodents.
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    Tue, November 23, 2004 - 2:12 PM
    I went to Orr Hotsprings a while ago (great place!!) They have a kitchen area everyone shares and when we were cleaning up I noticed they had 3 cans- one for recycle, one for compost, and one for non-food trash. I couldn't figure out where to dump my leftover cheese sandwich, which I thought for sure wouldn't go in compost, then found out they compost ALL food. Meat, dairy, oil, junkfood, EVERYTHING! So I spoke with the person in charge of the compost to see how that works out, and she says they have huge piles and end up with beautiful compost, and they have been doing this for years. This probably wouldn't be the best for a small home pile, but I thought it was really interesting.
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      Sun, January 16, 2005 - 12:17 PM
      I have friends near Bellingham, WA, who do a very hot compost pile, where they pile up Everything- including weeds, dog and human feces (!), in straw-bale lined bins. So yes, this can be done... The key to doing this kind of composting successfully is to get the compost VERY hot, and it takes maintence to be sure that the pile gets hot enough throughout to kill all microbes and weed seeds. And they wait a whole year before they use the compost.
      For the backyard composter, this obviously would not be appropriate, because most compost piles do not get hot enough or get enough attention.
      My general rule for what goes in: Organic veggies great, even citrus (may not compost for a while, don't put too much in at first), best if it's chopped into smaller peices, eggshells and coffee grounds are GREAT, no meat or dairy besides eggshells and nothing too oily (especially for worms).
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      Sun, July 10, 2005 - 7:07 PM
      I do work trade with Orr Hotsprings.. For my bath tickets I rake leafs and they let me turn the compost piles. Oh man they have the richest compost I've ever seen in my life... Huge piles the size of a car. So hot you can feel it. Filled to the brim with microbes and alllll kinds of worms and insects. Some I can't even identify... It's sooo rich cuz most of it is kitchen scraps... Super wet and juicy... I can't even tell you how excited I get when they say I can turn em.... My favorite job ever...... If you ever go there and do work trade for bathing... Ask if you can turn the compost.... You'll never forget it....
    • Re: What NOT to put in your compost pile...

      Tue, February 12, 2008 - 1:29 PM

      I don't have a compost pile now, but I grew up always having one, and we always composted all food items, including meat, dairy and citrus, and we always had wonderful compost.

      The one thing I would say is don't put in manure unless you are running a "hot" compost pile, so it can kill any microbes. We were just piling things in a pile, not turning it or anything, so we didn't put manure in.
  • Re: What NOT to put in your compost pile...

    Tue, November 23, 2004 - 2:14 PM
    Also, check out Malcolm's take on browns/greens in this past thread:
    sanfrancisco.tribe.net/thread...fe049d7
    • Re: What NOT to put in your compost pile...

      Tue, November 23, 2004 - 7:32 PM
      I had two compost piles (because we needed more than one!), both made out of the biggest garbage cans I could carry out of Home Depot. I lived in the suburbs and had tons of cardboard, shredded paper and yard waste. Kitchen scraps comprised a relatively small percentage of my compost. Probably 1/8-1/5... The vast majority was other biodegradeable household waste (snotty tissues, paper qtips, used cotton balls, hair from hairbrushes, etc, anything that didn't get flushed) and yard clippings... A lot of yard clippings...

      I was looking into composting humanure and figuring out how we could do that, when I ended up moving. Now I'm in the city and a worm bin is all I'll be able to do.
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    Wed, January 19, 2005 - 5:19 PM
    Organic matter from nonfloral entities is totally acceptable, though I almost never put it in. However, a really good way to restore nitrogen, etc. to your soil after you've just grown a nice crop is to plant a salmon in it. This is coming from the director of the city of Oakland's community garden, not me, the humble gardener.
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      Mon, January 24, 2005 - 10:26 PM
      whilst it's true that fishmeal is an extremely effective fertilizer, by virtue of the fact that fish as living creatures are composed of very little fat and very high quantities of protein. However whilst they are very high in protein building elements (i.e. N, P and S) as well as many other essentials I would aver that this is no more so than for ones own grandmother... I would therefore argue that to kill a fish just to let it rot is as agreeable as doing the same to ones granny.......

      In truth its not about what you can and cannot put in to compost (with the exception of toxins) but whether the ingredients balance. Also it is what your definition of compost extends too.....

      For example the growth in factory farming of chickens has, due completely to the inhumane conditions these living (and I would argue sentient) creatures are subjected too, results in chicken farms having huge quantities of unfit chicken carcasses (animals that die in their thousands within the cramped stinking environment of the 'modern' broiler shed) which are difficult to dispose of....... consequently both in the States and the UK work (under the guise of science) has been undertaken to see whether such 'organic' material can be composted.......

      So for those of you without compassion the answer is yes....... you can compost just about anything (granny, grandad and all your kin), or if you leave a stinking mess long enough nature will cure it for you......

      I trust therefore that those of you who aver differently (as humans recognise the sentience of fellow creatures and so act not like them but higher than them: i.e treat them humanely) as vegetarians you don't have this problem.......

      regards,

      greenman-23
      • Re: What NOT to put in your compost pile...

        Tue, January 25, 2005 - 1:07 AM
        I want to be composted when I die. I cannot think of a more natural and appropriate way of disposing of my remains... Alas, the only place that does something similar to this is in the Carolina's...

        So, I am opting for plan b.... And eternal reef. :)

        But yes, the forest floor is made up of dead animals... So, they do decompose and return to the earth, eventually. Faster in a compost pile, rather than in a mulch layer, I would think.

        And yah, I wouldn't go harvest a salmon just for the sole purpose of putting it in my compost pile. But, if you didn't finish that salmon dinner you had a few days ago, by all means, put it in there!

        And see if you can get some of that farmer's chicken stuff, it will make a good addition, as well. :)
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          Sun, January 30, 2005 - 10:54 AM
          oh yes this is wonderful to finally find others that want to be composted!! omg did my family have a freak out over that comment when my mother dear was planning her bronze silk padded casket.... LOL

          I have several (many?) compost piles & containments in various degrees of product & some retained to extra heat for dog feces, as I have 8 dogs & my shared neighbor 4. I am much more stressed about using all the crabgrass & other grasses as they are a menace in our sand base but I cannot deposit them away in a landfill to terrorize the plastic as it is some of the lil nitrogen green I get ('cept right now while the stray hay seeds are reaching for heaven). So crabgrass gets contained in 40 gal barrels with much poopoo to destroy its tentacles & fruits that the birds only 1/2 eat etc.
          I don't mind foods out in the compost so our cute mice will eat outside & not come in for treats.....
          & as we have a large pet cemetary I can say that the fruit trees especially seem to enjoy having the companion at their roots as they always seem to burgeon after the 'planting'......
          • Re: What NOT to put in your compost pile...

            Wed, February 2, 2005 - 1:23 PM
            compost piles love pee! pee is loaded with nitrogen. plants love pee too for that matter. but if you feel wierd about peeing in your garden you can give it to your compost pile and make it happy.
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              Thu, February 3, 2005 - 5:11 AM
              hi,

              your actually best to use urine in compost rather han as a straight fertilizer, not least because of smell................but also because its in readily available form and an be a bit too excessve for most plants

              but if you really want nitrogen rich pee i suggest you follow a bitch in heat (the four legged variety) with a bowl,,,, the higher levels of eustrogens etc mean that bitch urine is extremely rich in nitrogen and it is why bitches cause brown die off in lawns which are marked by a ring of lush growth (the high nitrogen burns the immediate grass whilst that on the edges gets fertilized......)

              regards

              greenman-23
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                Wed, August 3, 2005 - 5:05 AM
                I also add the clearings out from my snakes (wood chips & kitchen roll + the obvious ) , this also tends to discourage rodents who think there is a snake about & don't want to be it's dinner
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                  Thu, August 4, 2005 - 9:44 PM
                  oooh!
                  Snake poo is real stinky. Good idea for a rodent repellent!
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                    Re: What NOT to put in your compost pile...

                    Thu, February 9, 2006 - 10:12 AM
                    what about shredded office paper... mostly one sided half prints and screw ups, is the ink really bad? I have been recycling it, but I was wondering if I could use it to boost the woody material in my pile, my stuff is mostly leaf litter, soft clippings, and dumped out pots right now, no kitchen stuff really because it's at my work.
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                      Thu, February 16, 2006 - 9:23 AM
                      Is it ink or toner (from copiers and printers)? I don't knwo what toner is made up. I know that most newspapers have switched to soy inks.
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                        Thu, February 16, 2006 - 9:54 AM
                        I have a HP2355 printer scanner copier, bought within the last year. the cautionary insert that came with the ink says "tri-color ink cartidges contain nitrates" (and not to eat it) maybe I'll just stick to recycling the office paper..... I have a stack of newspapers that I brought from home today, sounds safer, until I know for sure. There are so many worms in the pile, I would hate to hurt them.
                        • Re: What NOT to put in your compost pile...

                          Wed, March 1, 2006 - 7:36 AM
                          A hot compost will breakdown most anything biodegradable, inks are toxic, so are most things in some way, justifying what you put in the compost is what is important. if you are willing to take responsability for feeding the planet with what you put in the compost, then compost away with whatever you want to. and we will all reap what you sow.
                          Dead chickens by the thousand will rot somewhere, as will millions of spawned out salmon, putting it in a compost pile will help not hinder the process of taking responsbility for making something good from this travesty of wasted lives(very different in the chicken factory from the salmon) but comparable to our own ways of living.(cities verses country)
                          I wonder what is the difference between a chicken factory and a human factory?) Where do you work?
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                            Fri, May 12, 2006 - 7:46 AM
                            I just weeded my backyard. It's a 20x30' rectangle, divided in thirds, 2/3 flower bed, 1/3 concrete. I piled the weeds on the concrete to let them dry out and die, was wondering if I composted them, would they just keep coming back?
                            What do you do with pesky weeds? I want to plant more flowering bushes, hydrangas and roses seem to grow well in my neighbor's yards.
                            thanks
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                  Tue, February 12, 2008 - 11:49 AM
                  my parents put cat scat in our garden to take care of a gopher problem... never saw a gopher within 100 feet of the garden again. I'm told this works because they think it's a larger cat, like a cougar, so I dont know if it'd work with city-urban bred gophers...
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    Fri, June 2, 2006 - 8:25 PM
    I am in the same boat as Yoshimi with having a compot pile and being new to the whole composting thing... I've only been doing it for about two weeks and so far I've attracted a lot of ants. Should I be indifferent to them?
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      Tue, January 2, 2007 - 4:37 PM
      I'm so glad to have found this tribe, who else talks about this stuff?
      I moved to a new home in August and got a late start on the compost pile. Green metal stakes with chicken wire to keep the pile from migrating. Lots of lawn clippings, leaves and kitchen trash. The weather has been mild, in the 50s for the most part. I noticed the last time I turned it that it was nice and black with just a few recognizeable bits. Next to this enclosure is another in which I keep leaves for mulch.
      We seem to have an abundance of leaves. Can I compost the ashes from burning them?
      • Re: What NOT to put in your compost pile...

        Sat, January 6, 2007 - 11:19 AM
        as a novice, stay away from trickier items i.e. meat scraps, citrus. meat attracts unsavory critters such as rats, and citrus (at least too much) can inhibit growth of the bacteria you want. it's seems to be all about the heat you can generate in your pile. the hotter the pile, the more anything goes. since you're just starting, you probably have a small pile. i've found a 3 by 3 pile can make things happen. it just takes longer, and you've got to be a little more careful. ashes in very small quantities can help, but too much ruins your compost. the green & brown ratio is important, and making sure the pile is wet, but not too wet. i don't recommend putting weeds in, unless you are sure the pile gets hot enough to kill every little seedling.... the leaves you have would probably be better off composted directly and not burned. they break-down pretty fast if you have a nice ammount of microbes. what fun!
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          Sat, January 6, 2007 - 1:37 PM
          I'd love to compost all the leaves. But in all honesty, I could've filled a swimming pool (the built in kind) with the volume of leaves that fell.
          • Re: What NOT to put in your compost pile...

            Mon, July 30, 2007 - 12:58 PM
            Make leaf-mold with the leaves, in wire netting retainers held up with four posts. Leaf-mold is excellent soil conditioner and will break down heavy clays.
            Leaves make excellent mulch for beds, especially when combined with cardboard/newspaper. Beech and oak leaves are high in tannins and will deter slugs and snails and encourage beetles

            Pee helps rot faster but can get too concentrated and rather ammonia-like. I found it works best on an open heap rather than enclosed.

            Stuff that comes from woody sources or perennial roots, etc can be killed off in an anaerobic pit/water butt full of water, and the resulting stuff can be used as fertiliser. Hugelkultur is the hill bed system which uses branches in a north-south trench and covered with sods and then compost, topsoil etc. Permaculture sources can help with this.
            All leaves from branches can be stripped off and composted well.

            Adding fresh horse/cow/goat poo to the centre, warms up a heap and rots much faster.

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